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Günter diaspora
Whoever speaks of a better world is a Nazi because he wants to forcefully impose his idea of a better world on all dissenters with inhuman violence.

#Philosoph Karl Popper:

… the attempt to make heaven on earth invariably produces hell. It leads to intolerance. It leads to religious wars, and to the saving of souls through the inquisition. And it is, I believe, based on a complete misunderstanding of our moral duties. It is our duty to help those who need help; but it cannot be our duty to make others happy, since this does not depend on us, and since it would only too often mean intruding on the privacy of those towards whom we have such amiable intentions.

https://libquotes.com/karl-popper/quote/lbn3a8m
#KarlPopper
HuFool diaspora
@guenter@despora.de
You cited Popper Out Of Context.
t is a book about society: He was talking about about society not about of ecology!
http://www.the-rathouse.com/OpenSocietyOnLIne/Chapter-24-Revolt-Against-Reason.html

I agree with Popper on his argument, and deeply disagree on any fictious argoument by anyone who wants simply do nothing about ecology. Is it you?
Roland Häder mag das nicht.
Nanook friendica
Doesn't make much sense to create hell on purpose because attempting to create something better MIGHT result in it. But I'm not part of the WEF advocacy crowd, not into things like eating bugs, freezing to death, being restricted in movement, etc.
HuFool diaspora
Not at all. Is the contrary.
If you take care about something nobody hurts, if you just mess something and don't care about your shit someone dives in it.

Is it satisfactory to you that loking elsewhere you just don't see that?
Günter diaspora
@HuFool
If I support efuels or the solution of the French company MDI "Airpod" because I realise that this technology is better suited to protect the environment than e-cars and have to realize that the #NAZI ban these better solutions to serve their oligarchs, then who is the one who watches everything getting worse?

https://www.mdi.lu/airpod-2-0
@Nanook there ARE restrictions on what you can own. You can't own human beings. You're not free to use nuclear energy in your garden. This bullshit about "freedom" is just at the crossroads of egotism and fascism.
Your freedom goes only as far as it doesn't precludes others'. Now if your "freedom" is destroying the ability of billions to live a normal life, this isn't "freedom", this is pillaging, or imperialism, or oppression; not "freedom".
Günter diaspora
@Emmanuel Florac

Now if your “freedom” is destroying the ability of billions to live a normal life?
The climate
The climate hysteria with its CO2 church suppresses the freedom of millions of people! It is zealots like Greta Thunberg who, against all scientific reason, rob and destroy the livelihood of millions.

This isn’t “freedom”, this is pillaging, or imperialism, or oppression; not “freedom”.
@Günter your "normal life" isn't normal if it isn't physically possible to extend it to the whole world population. (Hint: it isn't). It's just that you don't want to rescind any of your privileges and habits. There's a name for this : egoism. That's quite natural, but nothing to boast about.
Roland Häder mag das nicht.
Digit diaspora
If you oppose to change probably you have privilege or ignorance
HA! as if any and all change is good and all "privilege" opposed to that greater good. ... talk about the ignorant pot calling the ignorant kettle sooty. XD

many a corruption afoot, of many a good change. canny you dont lose broader awareness in hypnosis to polarised over-simplifications.
HuFool diaspora
Simplicity sounds good starting a conversation :))
Günter diaspora
@Emmanuel Florac
When you don't like an opinion, you call people selfish because you can't give a reason. That is shabby and very transparent. Individuality is only possible if a way of life is not physically extendable to the whole world. How absurd is that? - In any case, it is not a meaningful justification.
J R diaspora
'the climate' ended ten or fifteen years ago. all the predictions were laughably wrong. there is still ice at the north and south poles, and we still have weather, including rain, and heat in summer, and cold in winter, etc.

by now, 'climate' is just another scam for the grifters and elites to manipulate politics and the economy. and lately they've gone on a destructive democide binge, so it isn't "creating a better world", it is clearly creating a worse world of tyranny.
Digit diaspora
Whoever speaks of a better world is a Nazi because he wants to forcefully impose
heh, just noticed that erroneous assertion too.

there are ways to speak of a better world without imposition. lack of imposition (forceful or not), may be the better world they speak of. may involve simply availing that which has been suppressed from prior forceful impositions.

(e.g. #spaceshipsforeverybody )